winfs

All I know about WinFS right now (other than the fact that it's not ready for primetime) is that it's some sort of SQL tie-in to the filesystem and/or perhaps all Vista these indexes. It's not a filesystem per se, like NTFS is a filesystem. What I don't know is: What exactly will WinFS bring me beyond what I already have in Vista? More complex SQL queries of the filesystem? SQL Server access to the filesystem? Or is it something else entirely?

It's gonna be cool... basically linking in your search features and stuff - finding stuff faster, organised... but there isn't much info on WinFS yet. Microsoft shipped Beta 1 a little while ago... but it's still meant to be cool :o)
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All I know about WinFS right now (other than the fact that it's not ready for primetime) is that it's some sort of SQL tie-in to the filesystem and/or perhaps all Vista these indexes. It's not a filesystem per se, like NTFS is a filesystem. What I don't know is: What exactly will WinFS bring me beyond what I already have in Vista? More complex SQL queries of the filesystem? SQL Server access to the filesystem? Or is it something else entirely?

WinFS is not a file system, a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system.
It simplifies the process of finding and storing important user data. In addition to streamlined API's (Application Programming Interface) for accessing relational data. "WinFS" introduces a new centralized storage subsystem and API for storing and searching documents and contacts.

Adapted from Developer's Guide to Interoperability and Migration in "Longhorn" version 1.0, emerging practices/guidance for early implementers/patterns and practices.

So one should note that WinFS is really a powerful extension being added to the file system in Longhorn, basically a stack that will be able to make information more searchable and accessible throughout aspects of the Windows user interface.

WinFS is difficult mainly because it is tied to every aspect of Windows, meaning every program will be an assistant to it. This also means Microsoft will need third party developers to have hooks into the technology itself to make Search aware also to programs being built for Windows. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

All I know about WinFS right now (other than the fact that it's not ready for primetime) is that it's some sort of SQL tie-in to the filesystem and/or perhaps all Vista these indexes. It's not a filesystem per se, like NTFS is a filesystem. What I don't know is: What exactly will WinFS bring me beyond what I already have in Vista? More complex SQL queries of the filesystem? SQL Server access to the filesystem? Or is it something else entirely?

Correction: "WinFS is not a file system, a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system." ------------------------------ WinFS is not a file system, "it is" a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

WinFS is not a file system, a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system.
It simplifies the process of finding and storing important user data. In addition to streamlined API's (Application Programming Interface) for accessing relational data. "WinFS" introduces a new centralized storage subsystem and API for storing and searching documents and contacts.

Adapted from Developer's Guide to Interoperability and Migration in "Longhorn" version 1.0, emerging practices/guidance for early implementers/patterns and practices.

So one should note that WinFS is really a powerful extension being added to the file system in Longhorn, basically a stack that will be able to make information more searchable and accessible throughout aspects of the Windows user interface.

WinFS is difficult mainly because it is tied to every aspect of Windows, meaning every program will be an assistant to it. This also means Microsoft will need third party developers to have hooks into the technology itself to make Search aware also to programs being built for Windows. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message All I know about WinFS right now (other than the fact that it's not ready for primetime) is that it's some sort of SQL tie-in to the filesystem and/or perhaps all Vista these indexes. It's not a filesystem per se, like NTFS is a filesystem. What I don't know is: What exactly will WinFS bring me beyond what I already have in Vista? More complex SQL queries of the filesystem? SQL Server access to the filesystem? Or is it something else entirely?

Check here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/data/WinFS/default.aspx Under the heading "Building WinFS Solutions"....
.... it *is* a file system.
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Correction: "WinFS is not a file system, a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system." ------------------------------ WinFS is not a file system, "it is" a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message WinFS is not a file system, a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system.
It simplifies the process of finding and storing important user data. In addition to streamlined API's (Application Programming Interface) for accessing relational data. "WinFS" introduces a new centralized storage subsystem and API for storing and searching documents and contacts.

Adapted from Developer's Guide to Interoperability and Migration in "Longhorn" version 1.0, emerging practices/guidance for early implementers/patterns and practices.

So one should note that WinFS is really a powerful extension being added to the file system in Longhorn, basically a stack that will be able to make information more searchable and accessible throughout aspects of the Windows user interface.

WinFS is difficult mainly because it is tied to every aspect of Windows, meaning every program will be an assistant to it. This also means Microsoft will need third party developers to have hooks into the technology itself to make Search aware also to programs being built for Windows. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message All I know about WinFS right now (other than the fact that it's not ready for primetime) is that it's some sort of SQL tie-in to the filesystem and/or perhaps all Vista these indexes. It's not a filesystem per se, like NTFS is a filesystem. What I don't know is: What exactly will WinFS bring me beyond what I already have in Vista? More complex SQL queries of the filesystem? SQL Server access to the filesystem? Or is it something else entirely?

Great, thanks guys.
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

All I know about WinFS right now (other than the fact that it's not ready for primetime) is that it's some sort of SQL tie-in to the filesystem and/or perhaps all Vista these indexes. It's not a filesystem per se, like NTFS is a filesystem. What I don't know is: What exactly will WinFS bring me beyond what I already have in Vista? More complex SQL queries of the filesystem? SQL Server access to the filesystem? Or is it something else entirely?

hmm, its a bit contradictory to be honest. Because a File System is a method of storing and organizing data to make it easy to find and access them. But WinFS is so much more than that.
That paragraph even contradicts itself: "WinFS bridges the gap between file systems and databases"
If it bridges the gap between "traditional" file systems and databases, then that means its something more than both. Unless its saying its better than its ownself. :-s -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

Check here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/data/WinFS/default.aspx Under the heading "Building WinFS Solutions"....
... it *is* a file system.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Correction: "WinFS is not a file system, a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system." ------------------------------ WinFS is not a file system, "it is" a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message WinFS is not a file system, a data store that will run on top of the NTFS file system.
It simplifies the process of finding and storing important user data. In addition to streamlined API's (Application Programming Interface) for accessing relational data. "WinFS" introduces a new centralized storage subsystem and API for storing and searching documents and contacts.

Adapted from Developer's Guide to Interoperability and Migration in "Longhorn" version 1.0, emerging practices/guidance for early implementers/patterns and practices.

So one should note that WinFS is really a powerful extension being added to the file system in Longhorn, basically a stack that will be able to make information more searchable and accessible throughout aspects of the Windows user interface.

WinFS is difficult mainly because it is tied to every aspect of Windows, meaning every program will be an assistant to it. This also means Microsoft will need third party developers to have hooks into the technology itself to make Search aware also to programs being built for Windows. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message All I know about WinFS right now (other than the fact that it's not ready for primetime) is that it's some sort of SQL tie-in to the filesystem and/or perhaps all Vista these indexes. It's not a filesystem per se, like NTFS is a filesystem. What I don't know is: What exactly will WinFS bring me beyond what I already have in Vista? More complex SQL queries of the filesystem? SQL Server access to the filesystem? Or is it something else entirely?

WinFS is a great structure indeed. I've searched to get more on it and found source with much useful data on it http://www.ntfs.com/ You might wish to give it a glance if you are interested.
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